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boehner. can't you get one? our tax code is how many thousands of pages and you can't give us one loophole? well, on tv and on paper, republicans refuse to offer details about just how they are going to get all this revenue. timothy geithner explained by the republicans can't sell the specifics of their plan. >> if republicans would like to go beyond these reforms, they should tell us how they want to do it. >> what if they were to propose the republican budget that they passed? >> there's no reason they are going to do that. the american people could take a careful, hard look at that plan and they found no merit in it. >> this thing called the ryan plan, president obama continues to take his case to the american people who rejected the ryan plan. today he answered questions directly on twitter. one person asked, why won't keeping tax rates low across the board encourage more hires and therefore, more tax revenue? the president responded, high-end tax cuts do the least for economic growth and cost almost $ 1 tri
boehner. can't you get one? our tax code is how many thousands of pages and you can't give us one loophole? well, on tv and on paper, republicans refuse to offer details about just how they are going to get all this revenue. timothy geithner explained by the republicans can't sell the specifics of their plan. >> if republicans would like to go beyond these reforms, they should tell us how they want to do it. >> what if they were to propose the republican budget that they passed?...
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speaker boehner's $800 billion tax hike will destroy american jobs. the heritage foundation skewered the boehner counteroffer on its blog. at first blush, it appears little more than categorical preemptive capitulation. to be fair, the details of the republican proposal are extraordinarily vague to the extent it can be interpreted from the hazy details that it is utterly unacceptable. president obama said today there is a time and a place to discuss reforming the tax code. but that time is not now. >> what i've suggested is let's put a down payment on taxes, let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. let's let those go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform. we look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close. and it is possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that point. >> joining me here in washington are congressman tim walls, democrat from minnesota, and karen finney, the former dnc di
speaker boehner's $800 billion tax hike will destroy american jobs. the heritage foundation skewered the boehner counteroffer on its blog. at first blush, it appears little more than categorical preemptive capitulation. to be fair, the details of the republican proposal are extraordinarily vague to the extent it can be interpreted from the hazy details that it is utterly unacceptable. president obama said today there is a time and a place to discuss reforming the tax code. but that time is not...
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what is boehner going to put on? as i say all the time, the real question is who is going to lead now? is speaker boehner going to lead the caucus or the tea party lead? that's the question of the day. >> thank you for your time. we'll see if your answer to the question of the day is submitted to the president. thank you. >> wait until the wives make the boys come home. >> joining me now is erin pike and david goodfriend. david, you heard congresswoman bass refer to grover norquist. i want to play what he said regarding this ominous threat as described to republicans who may not fall in line. let's play it. >> tea party 2 is going to dwarf ta tea party 1 if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> this was in reference to the president. he's threatening we will see a new, stronger tea party if we go off the cliff. >> yes. grover norquist also predicted an overwhelming victory by mitt romney and was proven wrong then, too. i think he and other republicans are playing a very dangerous game with their own political futures by
what is boehner going to put on? as i say all the time, the real question is who is going to lead now? is speaker boehner going to lead the caucus or the tea party lead? that's the question of the day. >> thank you for your time. we'll see if your answer to the question of the day is submitted to the president. thank you. >> wait until the wives make the boys come home. >> joining me now is erin pike and david goodfriend. david, you heard congresswoman bass refer to grover...
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here is the offer that john boehner put forward--butkis. nothing. he said, i'm interested in raising revenue or we're willing to do that. so how much, you want to cut medicare? you want to cut social security? john, admit it, you want to cut social security. no, no i want the president to say that. why would he say that? that's not his position. that's your position. you have not made no offer, no offer. i don't want you to get confused because the rest of tv will say he said-she said. no the republicans have made no offer, none. they're full of it. now the white house is fighting back. this is the thing that is flabbergasting. the white house communication director said, the president is not going to negotiate with himself. he has laid out his position, and the republicans have to come to the table. my reaction to that was-- >> flabbergasted. >> cenk: what? the white house not negotiating with itself? that's fantastic. do you remember what president obama said in 2010 because he had these negotiations with the republicans over the stimulus package.
here is the offer that john boehner put forward--butkis. nothing. he said, i'm interested in raising revenue or we're willing to do that. so how much, you want to cut medicare? you want to cut social security? john, admit it, you want to cut social security. no, no i want the president to say that. why would he say that? that's not his position. that's your position. you have not made no offer, no offer. i don't want you to get confused because the rest of tv will say he said-she said. no the...
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the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of agreement. >> let's put aside the right wing here. we know that speaker boehner purged some of those seen as not being team players within his own party and we'll discuss the fact he's taken a hit for that. beyond the right wing or whatever you have numbers. you have exit polling. you have pew research poll that shows where the american people stand. if all of the people are there to represent us, meaning the people who are watching right now and the panel included here, we are all americans, we pay taxes, then why isn't this work getting done? >> well, just look at speaker boehner's fiscal cliff p
the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of...
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here's what claire mccaskill had to skay. >> i feel sorry for john boehner. he has to deal with the base of the republican party that grover norquist represents. i met him for the first time this morning. nice to meet him. who is he? why is he this guy that has captured so much attention in this? >> so why is he? do you think he's still relevant? >> well, he is, but back to what the congresswoman was saying a little bit earlier, does john boehner have control of his caucus. is he leading his caucus or is his caucus leading him. the reason why you're hearing congressional leaders say they won't negotiate in public because some of these outside external figures do still have some power but they want to keep them at bay as much as possible and so even though we're hearing john boner and harry reid say they are far away from a deal that may not be true because they are negotiating behind closed doors. press conference after press conference we're seeing the market swing back and forth but really i think we may be closer to a deal by the end of the month than thes
here's what claire mccaskill had to skay. >> i feel sorry for john boehner. he has to deal with the base of the republican party that grover norquist represents. i met him for the first time this morning. nice to meet him. who is he? why is he this guy that has captured so much attention in this? >> so why is he? do you think he's still relevant? >> well, he is, but back to what the congresswoman was saying a little bit earlier, does john boehner have control of his caucus. is...
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you hear speaker boehner saying the perhaps wasn't paying attention election. the reality is the white house has a bigger bully pulpit here. so how they maneuver and handle themselveses is important. we are talking a few weeks before we see the fine print that you are talking about. >> bret: you know, we were out on the campaign trail. for people who thought once we got past the election this would be breathing room to deal with big ticket items that the country has to deal with. you know, turn the aircraft carrier or start to turn it so we're going in the right direction, it doesn't seem like we are doing that. >> it doesn't seem like that at all. what did we think? thinking that, you know, putting this problem off until the very end was suddenly easier at the end than in the beginning? it was status quo election in some respects. three leaders are still in the position. it shouldn't be that surprising to us. >> surprising to me that the president essentially who would get revenues he wants from the deductions and the exclusions but insist on the rates not for
you hear speaker boehner saying the perhaps wasn't paying attention election. the reality is the white house has a bigger bully pulpit here. so how they maneuver and handle themselveses is important. we are talking a few weeks before we see the fine print that you are talking about. >> bret: you know, we were out on the campaign trail. for people who thought once we got past the election this would be breathing room to deal with big ticket items that the country has to deal with. you...
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from speaker john boehner that he is not the house republican budget. they're trying to move more to the middle, and they believe this is the best way to do so, guys. >> on that $600 billion in health savings, do we have any clarity on what that would be? bahama ca obama care, medicare, medicaid? >> from the briefing it pertains to medicare and medicaid. the one specific thing we got is part of the health savings in the $600 billion mark would come from raising the medicare entry age from 65 to 67. something that the house republicans have talked about before. that is very much a big part of that 600 billion in health savings. >> thanks, luke russert, on the hill for breaking it down. let's go back to michael crowley. steve wants to get wonky with you. >> i haven't looked closely at this. what jumps out is the difference between obama saying he wants 1.6 trillion revenue and republicans say 800 billion in revenue. as luke said, not giving in on the issue of raising tax rates. they hold out this promise of tax reforms with loopholes and deductions. i don
from speaker john boehner that he is not the house republican budget. they're trying to move more to the middle, and they believe this is the best way to do so, guys. >> on that $600 billion in health savings, do we have any clarity on what that would be? bahama ca obama care, medicare, medicaid? >> from the briefing it pertains to medicare and medicaid. the one specific thing we got is part of the health savings in the $600 billion mark would come from raising the medicare entry...
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will you call john boehner tomorrow morning and say mr. speaker, i think you should release that bill and allow republicans to show whether they are pledged to me or pledged to the united states. >> first of all, let's be serious. you know better than that. the pledge that congressmen and senators, governors, state legislators, take is to the american people. i know harry reid plays games and says me but you shouldn't do that. you're better than that. >> grover, answer my question. don't play games right now. will you -- do you think that they should actually vote -- >> i'll answer -- >> -- do you -- >> i will answer your question. we just had to take off the question the nonsense attack that i expect from harry reid. i will call mr. boehner tomorrow shortly after i call harry reid and ask him to make sure that the senate rules will allow open debate and open amendment and that he won't play games as he's been doing for the last four years, and when harry agrees to that, i will call boehner and ask him to alter house rules. >> okay. >> i'l
will you call john boehner tomorrow morning and say mr. speaker, i think you should release that bill and allow republicans to show whether they are pledged to me or pledged to the united states. >> first of all, let's be serious. you know better than that. the pledge that congressmen and senators, governors, state legislators, take is to the american people. i know harry reid plays games and says me but you shouldn't do that. you're better than that. >> grover, answer my question....
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the fact that speaker boehner rejected that, we're in a tough spot right now. what the republican leadership in the house has to do is say look here's what we want to do, here's what we believe we should do. they have to understand that the president won, the democrats gained seats in the house and the senate. the american people have said find that common ground, the beginning of that common ground is make sure we protect the tax cuts for the middle class. make sure we don't hurt the fragile economic recovery in the short term and let's deal with protecting medicare and deficit reduction for the long term. >> there's a piece in the "new york times" talking about the president's new negotiate i want aing style. it said mr. obama scattered by failed negotiations in his first term and emboldened by his re-election has shown to be a dlimp different negotiate or. the white house reminded people what the president basically campaigned on saying that everybody knew going in what they were getting re-lecting th this stifle president. does he walk with confidence of re
the fact that speaker boehner rejected that, we're in a tough spot right now. what the republican leadership in the house has to do is say look here's what we want to do, here's what we believe we should do. they have to understand that the president won, the democrats gained seats in the house and the senate. the american people have said find that common ground, the beginning of that common ground is make sure we protect the tax cuts for the middle class. make sure we don't hurt the fragile...
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any moment now, house speaker john boehner will light the capitol christmas tree. yes, it's still called a christmas tree. enjoy it while can. this is temporary set. ♪ ♪ >> dana: back with more on the murder-suicide we talked about in the "a" block. we'll talk about the possible underlying factors of the violence. listen to rush limbaugh. >> might there have been a better outcome if there had been a marriage involved between mr. belcher and his girlfriend? i don't know. all i know is that i look at the statistics from single parenthood and children out of wedlock and what happens to kids in those circumstances, what happens to the fathers in those circumstances. it's not good. >> dana: an degreia, i'm a believer in the institution of marriage to solidify families and root you in a grounded, make it possibly tradition and hopefully be prosperous in the future. there is a lot, there are many babies born out of wedlock. all across america. and all races. in particular, in african-american families and growing in hispanic and white families as well. do you think it
any moment now, house speaker john boehner will light the capitol christmas tree. yes, it's still called a christmas tree. enjoy it while can. this is temporary set. ♪ ♪ >> dana: back with more on the murder-suicide we talked about in the "a" block. we'll talk about the possible underlying factors of the violence. listen to rush limbaugh. >> might there have been a better outcome if there had been a marriage involved between mr. belcher and his girlfriend? i don't...
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john boehner sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of the party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink, because -- tell them why. >> they have taken my milk and up there it in the garbage. >> eric: bar guy.>> poor guy. >> dana: hard to be a leader. lonely at the top. i have a story about a monkey and ikea. the shoppers are at ikea and they look down and there is a monkey in a coat. he got away from his owners. so the monkey was walking around. they got fined. they only got fined $240 for having illegal pet. which you can't have a monkey, bob, i know you had one in college. not a good idea. do not try this at home. i thought that was weird. at the time, set your dvrs or tune in at 1:00 p.m. i'm on the record filling in for greta. greg, do not give a look like that, mr. self-promotion. on the record tonight. >> bob: mention the book. >> dana: talk about the monkey? >> greg: where did a monkey get a coat that size. i need to find out. it's hard for me to get -- >> dana: down the street. we
john boehner sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of the party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink, because -- tell them why. >> they have taken my milk and up there it in the garbage. >> eric: bar guy.>> poor guy. >> dana: hard to be a leader. lonely at the top. i have a story about a monkey and ikea. the shoppers are at ikea and they look down and there is a monkey in a coat. he got away from his owners. so the monkey was...
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my feeling is boehner wants to work something out. he has got to go home not only to his own constituents but every republicans in america and some in the house who aren't easy to pull along he he imant go to them and given up that tax bracket for the 2% and theying say what did you gte mr. baker? nothing yet. he can't do that with a straight face his own party will crucify him over that. >> over 50% that we fall off? >> i wouldn't have said that two weeks ago today. i think that's probably right and it's unnecessary. >> geraldo: hopefully he will mine sift the speak and he will have something more substantial in h 2 o. >> i hope so. >> great to see you geraldo. >> was it the lack of gun control or confession that caused nfl player to commit suicide. see what the newly legalized pot industry in washington pot industry in washington state and soon in.so as you cans customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this cof
my feeling is boehner wants to work something out. he has got to go home not only to his own constituents but every republicans in america and some in the house who aren't easy to pull along he he imant go to them and given up that tax bracket for the 2% and theying say what did you gte mr. baker? nothing yet. he can't do that with a straight face his own party will crucify him over that. >> over 50% that we fall off? >> i wouldn't have said that two weeks ago today. i think that's...
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the boehner plan does that. >> if the boehner plan doesn't specific where his taxes come from. it says unnamed tax loopholes. >> before -- they moved and said listen we're willing to do $8 hurricane katrina billion in deductions not just for scoring. that's a huge concession. where is the president's concession. >> let me ask doug. that's a great point. i don't see the president -- in fact president has become harder line. he was somewhat -- he was somewhat accommodating right after the re-election. he's become harder line. i agree with that point. doug, you know the numbers. once again, i ask you, does boehner's idea of capping upper end deductions work to raise revenues, heaven forbid without damaging the middle class? does it work? >> yes, absolutely it works, and, you know, it's important to recognize we have two different problems. problem number one is the fiscal cliff and threat of recession. raising any more taxes doesn't make any sense. this is politics trumping economic sense. second problem is fixing the debt and there's this debate about how much revenue, how much s
the boehner plan does that. >> if the boehner plan doesn't specific where his taxes come from. it says unnamed tax loopholes. >> before -- they moved and said listen we're willing to do $8 hurricane katrina billion in deductions not just for scoring. that's a huge concession. where is the president's concession. >> let me ask doug. that's a great point. i don't see the president -- in fact president has become harder line. he was somewhat -- he was somewhat accommodating right...
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the president and john boehner met to discuss the crisis. a deal is needed to avoid an automatic tax increase and spending cuts for just about everyone. you know what, this has got to be the biggest game of political chicken since the debt ceiling debacle last summer. >> and no one wants it to be a debacle and that's why it's a game of chicken. barack obama knows he just won the election so he can pretty much win this argument so right now it's a lot of posturing, a lot of chest beating, but we're all going to have a happy christmas because they're going to work this out before they go off the fiscal cliff i don't think east party wants -- on their backs if he we go off this cliff, payroll taxes go up and republicans would actually take the brunt of it. >> congressman tim cole of oklahoma said this about the situation, listen to what he said and then i'll get your take on it. >> some of our people think if we just dig in and hold strong, we can stop it, that's not is case, it happens automatically. you have to two something and going somethi
the president and john boehner met to discuss the crisis. a deal is needed to avoid an automatic tax increase and spending cuts for just about everyone. you know what, this has got to be the biggest game of political chicken since the debt ceiling debacle last summer. >> and no one wants it to be a debacle and that's why it's a game of chicken. barack obama knows he just won the election so he can pretty much win this argument so right now it's a lot of posturing, a lot of chest beating,...
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. >> i feel almost sorry for john boehner. >> does john boehner have control of his caucus? >> will john boehner lead his sdmaukz. >> is he leading his caucus or will his caucus lead him? >> two party two is going to dwarf tea party one. >> this is embarrassing. >> he's the problem. >> he's willing to act like the election never happened. >> we're not getting anywhere. >> we're going over the cliff. >> it's the gop who has been short on specifics. >> i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. >> the same exact policies. >> this shows that republicans are really chicken hawks. >> you can't be serious. >> chicken hawks when it comes to reducing the debt. >> get serious. >> we're not getting anywhere. >> the path to nowhere. >> be prepared for the plunge. >> i would say we're know where know where. >> there's clearly a chance. >>> today, john boehner, eric cantor and paul ryan finally kind of sort of responded to the president's budget proposal, a proposal of their own that they were so unmarried to that they didn't put their names on it. they said the whole thing was er
. >> i feel almost sorry for john boehner. >> does john boehner have control of his caucus? >> will john boehner lead his sdmaukz. >> is he leading his caucus or will his caucus lead him? >> two party two is going to dwarf tea party one. >> this is embarrassing. >> he's the problem. >> he's willing to act like the election never happened. >> we're not getting anywhere. >> we're going over the cliff. >> it's the gop who has been...
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any moment now, house speaker john boehner will light the capitol christmas tree. yes, it's still called a christmas tree. enjoy it while can. this is temporary set. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] with 160 more miles per tank, the distances aren't getting shorter. ♪ the trucks are going farther. the new 2013 ram 1500. ♪ with the best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth. ♪ guts. glory. ram. share "not even close." share "you owe me..." share "just right." the share everything plan. shareable data across 10 devices with uimited talk and text. by htc for $49.99. >> dana: back with more on the murder-suicide we talked about in the "a" block. we'll talk about the possible underlying factors of the violence. listen to rush limbaugh. >> might there have been a better outcome if there had been a marriage involved between mr. belcher and his girlfriend? i don't know.l i know is that it the statistics from single parenthood and children out of wedlock and what happens to kids in those circumstances, what happens to the fathers in those circumstances.
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john boehner, sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john? >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage. >> these are supposed to be his friends and colleges. tell them what your so called friends did to your office desk? >> it was a rubber snake. >> a rubber snake. and did it scare you? >> it did. >> i was so heart broken to hear this, i said look, how about this, john. if you agree to a 1% raise on the top two americans, just two people, i will dissolve social security -- dissolve it. so we took it to the republicans, and congress, and what do they do? >> they invited me to a pizza party. >> and when you got there? >> it was a burned out warehouse. >> did you go inside? >> yes. >> and was there any pizza? >> no. >> and then what happened? >> they jumped out and pelted me with eggs. >> fresh eggs? >> rotten eggs. >> how do they keep a straight face? if you close your eyes, it sounds exactly like o
john boehner, sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share his company. he didn't even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john? >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage. >> these are supposed to be his friends and colleges. tell them what your so called friends did to your office desk? >> it was a rubber snake. >> a rubber snake. and did it scare you? >> it did. >> i was so heart broken to...
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did boehner's remarks make the difference? >> good. look, i think it's great. we cannot reach a deal if you are posturing and negotiating through press conferences. they need so sit in a room, they need to look at each other, they need to talk constructive debate, and they need to move this ball forward. i think what happened today is a very good sign. americans should be encouraged. it's a good thing. when our congressional leadership and our president are actually capable of meeting and talking about the difficult issues that face this country. what a refreshing and new idea. >> when you hear people like -- so you hear members of the gop, anna and lz, saxby chambliss, corker, they're all saying, we're willing to do this, but the messaging you hear on television is quite different, than what is actually being said behind closed doors, you make a very good point, anna. lz, do you think they're going to get something done with face-to-face talks and do you agree there seems to be competing messaging going on here? >> you know, they have to do the posturing in or
did boehner's remarks make the difference? >> good. look, i think it's great. we cannot reach a deal if you are posturing and negotiating through press conferences. they need so sit in a room, they need to look at each other, they need to talk constructive debate, and they need to move this ball forward. i think what happened today is a very good sign. americans should be encouraged. it's a good thing. when our congressional leadership and our president are actually capable of meeting and...
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is speaker boehner now on the wrong side of history? >> well, his entire party on a lot of issues is on the wrong side of history. we don't feel sorry for him because we're making progress economically as a nation. that's very, very important. and the issues that we are going to address with this sort of fiscal cliff, fiscal slope, hill, wharf you want to call it are going to be very, very important issues. i want to clear one things up. the republicans wants to talk about deductions all the time. one of the key distinctions between letting the taxes go up a little bit on the 2% versus trying to find this money through deductions, is the fact when we're talking about capping deductions, that's something that's going to impact middle class families and middle class earners the most. and so it really is -- i don't want to make this about class warfare. it's really about what is fiscally smart for the economy. most economists are telling us this tax increase will not have very much impact in terms of growth. if you talk about essentially r
is speaker boehner now on the wrong side of history? >> well, his entire party on a lot of issues is on the wrong side of history. we don't feel sorry for him because we're making progress economically as a nation. that's very, very important. and the issues that we are going to address with this sort of fiscal cliff, fiscal slope, hill, wharf you want to call it are going to be very, very important issues. i want to clear one things up. the republicans wants to talk about deductions all...
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republican house speaker john boehner also digging in, admitting that talks are going nowhere. speaker boehner also describing the moment when geithner first showed him the president's opening offer. >> i was flabbergasted. i looked at him, i said, "you can't be serious." i've just never seen anything like it. you know, we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. right now i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. we've put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to try to get this question resolved. but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. they've actually asked for more revenue than they've been asking for the whole entire time. >> what are the chances we're going to go over the cliff? >> there's clearly a chance. >>> meanwhile, grover norquist making a new prediction should lawmakers fail to reach a deal. >> understand how ugly the next four years are going to get. everything in obamacare that obama didn't want you to focus on or think about, the 9
republican house speaker john boehner also digging in, admitting that talks are going nowhere. speaker boehner also describing the moment when geithner first showed him the president's opening offer. >> i was flabbergasted. i looked at him, i said, "you can't be serious." i've just never seen anything like it. you know, we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. right now i would say we're...
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boehner. >> let's not kid ourselves. but when i come out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table, i took a great risk. and then the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal and they sum one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for not even $4 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean it was not a serious proposal. and so right now we're almost nowhere. >> let me start with -- let me start with joe jan on this thing because you and i often agree. this whole thing here, i just think boehner has never accepted the fact that the rates have to go up at the top. i mean they're talking about deductions and all this finesse, they lost this debate. if there was any issue that came out, the president was dead right. he mads he statement clear. the public wants to have some tax fairness. they don't want the top 2% to hold this thing up. boehner doesn't wan
boehner. >> let's not kid ourselves. but when i come out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table, i took a great risk. and then the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal and they sum one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for not even $4 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean it was not a serious...
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. >>> the white house revealed that speaker john boehner met with the president to discuss the officials of the fiscal cliff. we're just days before the congress and the white house has to hammer out a deal or everyone's going to suffer the consequences. emily, what have you learned about today's meeting? >> allison we know that today's meeting was not on the schedule today. so that means we have to rely on the word from the white house deputy press secretary and a congressional staffer which happens to be the exact same words. they released two separate statements, both identical and this is the statement. it says this afternoon the president and speaker boehner met at the white house to discuss efforts to resolve the fiscal cliff. we're not reading out details of the constitution, but the lines of communication remain. on wednesday, you'll remember a source familiar with the conversation said they did speak by phone, at that point it was the first time in a week they had done so. no reported breakthrough then. and then on monday, the president and speaker were at the same event togethe
. >>> the white house revealed that speaker john boehner met with the president to discuss the officials of the fiscal cliff. we're just days before the congress and the white house has to hammer out a deal or everyone's going to suffer the consequences. emily, what have you learned about today's meeting? >> allison we know that today's meeting was not on the schedule today. so that means we have to rely on the word from the white house deputy press secretary and a congressional...
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boehner has already put on the table a comparable amount of money to be gained from putting a cap on deductions, about 800 billion over ten years, so such a-- >> look, paul, two reasons. first is ideological. his partisans, his liberal base believe this is somehow a symbol of winning the tax fight and you can only do that by raising the rates on the wealthy in the country and they're insistent on that. the other thing the president is interested in, he wants a double deal and wants to raise tax rates and also take the deductions, the closing of tax deductions and upping the ante, he feels if he doesn't give, doesn't demand that, he's looking at a tie of tax revenue down the line. >> paul: he's raised the ante, not 800 billion, but 1.6 trillion. he's got the rest from deductions, but that's a huge revenue hit. >> first, a huge revenue hit, but that's what the president wants. i think what he really wants is tone act the tax rate increases and make them permanent. there's a kind of conventional wisdom that we'll do these things and sometime next year, and even the president says we'll
boehner has already put on the table a comparable amount of money to be gained from putting a cap on deductions, about 800 billion over ten years, so such a-- >> look, paul, two reasons. first is ideological. his partisans, his liberal base believe this is somehow a symbol of winning the tax fight and you can only do that by raising the rates on the wealthy in the country and they're insistent on that. the other thing the president is interested in, he wants a double deal and wants to...
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so it's a lot of problems for boehner. we're going to see how skillful and how powerful and how really strong and how good of a politician he is over the next month, how he handles the challenge. the white house doesn't want to ultimately damage boehner too badly because if you lose him, you lose his power and he steps down. he's only speaker two more years. who do you get next? somebody not as moderate and not going to want to negotiate in the same way that he has? so it's careful situation for all around. >> yeah. eric cantor, the thing that protects boehner the most from a mutiny is he doesn't want to deal with it right now. that if anything else keeps boehner in the job for two more years. up next, is america in the tloes of a religious revival? it may not feel like it, but the numbers show religion is as powerful and influential as ever. [ female announcer ] a classic meatloaf recipe from stouffer's starts with ground beef, unions, and peppers baked in a ketchup glaze with savory gravy and mashed russet potatoes. what
so it's a lot of problems for boehner. we're going to see how skillful and how powerful and how really strong and how good of a politician he is over the next month, how he handles the challenge. the white house doesn't want to ultimately damage boehner too badly because if you lose him, you lose his power and he steps down. he's only speaker two more years. who do you get next? somebody not as moderate and not going to want to negotiate in the same way that he has? so it's careful situation...
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speaker boehner talks about a serious proposal. they are going to take away loopholes that help middle class taxpayers. that's not a serious proposal. the only way they are going to get the deficits down is get the tax rates back to where they were. everybody knows that's what it it takes. so republicans haven't put a serious proposal on the table. . >> so is doug right? the republicans have next to no negotiating power right now? and what do you do to get some? >> i respectfully disagree. here's why. the constitution makes republicans relevant. that's the reason the white house is dealing with the leadership right now because when you look at the negotiations back and forth, republicans are relevant that both sides are playing hardball right now. let me push back a little bit. if they are serious about a deal, one could make the argument they should put something in writing. when they went to capitol hill, he put nothing in writing. he was very ambiguous. so both sides are playing a little game here. no one is serious about puttin
speaker boehner talks about a serious proposal. they are going to take away loopholes that help middle class taxpayers. that's not a serious proposal. the only way they are going to get the deficits down is get the tax rates back to where they were. everybody knows that's what it it takes. so republicans haven't put a serious proposal on the table. . >> so is doug right? the republicans have next to no negotiating power right now? and what do you do to get some? >> i respectfully...
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now, this may well present a problem for john boehner's caucus, because john boehner sent a letter to the president this week with his own plan, which advocates what just might be the least popular policy in american politics. okay, maybe that's hyperbole. but just be a tiny bit, i mean, mandatory gay marriage, in which every single married straight person had to immediately divorce their spouse, and accept a state-assigned same-gender spouse to replace them would probably be more popular than what john boehner proposed this week. what john boehner is advocating is making medicare available to fewer americans. as it happens, there is brand-new polling out today on how americans feel about the idea of congress using these deficit negotiations to make cuts to medicare. 79% of americans say they do not want congress to touch medicare in these deficit negotiations. 79%. if you want to get specific about john boehner's proposal, what he wants to do to medicare is to raise the eligibility age from 65 to 67. and as it turns out, there is also recent polling on that specific proposal. and it
now, this may well present a problem for john boehner's caucus, because john boehner sent a letter to the president this week with his own plan, which advocates what just might be the least popular policy in american politics. okay, maybe that's hyperbole. but just be a tiny bit, i mean, mandatory gay marriage, in which every single married straight person had to immediately divorce their spouse, and accept a state-assigned same-gender spouse to replace them would probably be more popular than...
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if john boehner says, look, mr. president, if you're going to force us to take the tax rates up, that's something we don't want to do, we'll go to 800, but that's it. we're not going to go beyond that, and you can't expect anything from us on a grand bargain beyond 800. that would really reduce the size of any kind of grand bargain. so in some ways, don, what's at stake here is whether they can craft a deal that's win/win. that each side can walk away from something in the short term saying we're encouraged. this gives us greater reason to go on and engage in the grand bargain next year. >> okay. you know, as republicans start to talk about maybe giving, you know, something on this tax hike for the wealthy, is this a white flag? i'm sure some will see it as a waving of a white flag, no? >> there will be a lot of democrats who think it's a white flag and they will say, mr. president, this is gl what he said. you hang tough with those guys and in the end they will cave and there will be some justification for that. ag
if john boehner says, look, mr. president, if you're going to force us to take the tax rates up, that's something we don't want to do, we'll go to 800, but that's it. we're not going to go beyond that, and you can't expect anything from us on a grand bargain beyond 800. that would really reduce the size of any kind of grand bargain. so in some ways, don, what's at stake here is whether they can craft a deal that's win/win. that each side can walk away from something in the short term saying...
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. >> that's about right. >> 65 is where boehner checks in. we were talking about boehner in the last segment. what lawrence is saying is true. it's not boehner's fault he's a weak speaker, but he is an incredibly weak speaker. there's that thing in the times saying maybe they're coming around. i don't think they're coming around at all. the problem is the republican party is driven by this sort of conservative movement more now than ever before in the last couple of years. boehner is a little more old school in that. he came to congress in 1990. he was sort of a reformer and teamed up with democrats, he was more pragmatic and climbed into the leadership and fell out and climbed back in. he was next in line for the leadership when the tea party thing happen. the story of his speakership is the tea party conservatives are waiting for the minute he sells them out. he hasn't sold them out yet. >> it's like the tail wagging the dog. >> he doesn't exercise any p power. this is a test this month. he's waiting this out and looking to have enough cred
. >> that's about right. >> 65 is where boehner checks in. we were talking about boehner in the last segment. what lawrence is saying is true. it's not boehner's fault he's a weak speaker, but he is an incredibly weak speaker. there's that thing in the times saying maybe they're coming around. i don't think they're coming around at all. the problem is the republican party is driven by this sort of conservative movement more now than ever before in the last couple of years. boehner...
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boehner will be glad to see the end of mr. demint. >> i'm sure he will. i think it represents the weakens of the tea party within congress. jim demint is a movement conservative. we have certainly not seen nor heard the last of him. he will find other ways to create headaches for both boehner and mcconnell, but i agree with david. most importantly, it may be a slight relief from the headache for john boehner, but he's still got a big challenge in that he is negotiating at this point with himself and not facing the reality that he doesn't really have a lot of leverage. >> indeed. jared, speaking of the details themselves, speaker boehner is saying that his is a serious offer that produces sufficient revenue and savings for the next decade. you're an economist, does it? do his numbers really add up? >> well, no, they don't add up because they lack any level of specificity that you would need to even write them down and put a plus sign next to them so see if they'd add up. he did the same -- >> hang on a second though. he said he stuck $800 billion in revenu
boehner will be glad to see the end of mr. demint. >> i'm sure he will. i think it represents the weakens of the tea party within congress. jim demint is a movement conservative. we have certainly not seen nor heard the last of him. he will find other ways to create headaches for both boehner and mcconnell, but i agree with david. most importantly, it may be a slight relief from the headache for john boehner, but he's still got a big challenge in that he is negotiating at this point with...
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on one side, you have establishment, john boehner and mitch mcconnell. to them, the election was lost because the conservative ideologues pulled him so right he could never find his way back in november. on the other side, jim demint, rick santorum and the industrial complex that make the same argument ideologues always make when they lose, the problem our guy wasn't ideological enough. the problem is going out in technicolor with demint bolting out to become the ceo of the conservative movement. joining me is the former head of the rnc and joy reed, managing editor of rio.com, also one of us. this is what happens when you go near the misery index, the rush limbaugh show. yesterday, jim demint, still the united states senator from south carolina and the out-going heritage foundation president dent and rush made fun of the speaker. let's listen. >> well, i think it's safe to say boehner is not forcing either of you guys out, right? >> that's pretty true. it might work a little bit the other way, rush. >> what do you make of that? it might work a little bi
on one side, you have establishment, john boehner and mitch mcconnell. to them, the election was lost because the conservative ideologues pulled him so right he could never find his way back in november. on the other side, jim demint, rick santorum and the industrial complex that make the same argument ideologues always make when they lose, the problem our guy wasn't ideological enough. the problem is going out in technicolor with demint bolting out to become the ceo of the conservative...
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john boehner gave an eagle scout the honor of flipping that switch. >> 3,
john boehner gave an eagle scout the honor of flipping that switch. >> 3,
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seemed to be putting in to place with boehner and then boehner walked away, as well, and the whole thing fell apart. i think you have seen an acknowledgment. if the president and boehner come to an agreement then the senate will come along, the house democrat wills come along. a number of them will. these are really the key negotiators and has to be done at that level to get something finished. >> jonathan, i have to say i'm a little bit skeptical about one aspect of this. it looks like we're closer and closer to a deal where rates rise. so conservative republicans will be asked to raise rates, something that's been anath ma to the party and the far right wing. and then you guys are reporting over at politico the next battle is going to be immigration reform. where they're likely to be asked to support what many of them would have sort of offensively and wrongly called amnesty for illegals. isn't there a revolt on the right in the house republican caucus in particular? >> i certainly think that there is possibly some carryover effect of one issue to the next, particularly if the right fe
seemed to be putting in to place with boehner and then boehner walked away, as well, and the whole thing fell apart. i think you have seen an acknowledgment. if the president and boehner come to an agreement then the senate will come along, the house democrat wills come along. a number of them will. these are really the key negotiators and has to be done at that level to get something finished. >> jonathan, i have to say i'm a little bit skeptical about one aspect of this. it looks like...